Comments on: Minaret issue: Just one tiny question

By: RT

RT — Sun, 27 Dec 2009 00:00:27 +0000

@Ramona: I don’t think I’m explaining myself well. Here’s what I meant: If a society is going to ban something that endangers “Christian values,” then that society should examine all of its facets and apply the same rules. According to some versions of Christianity, brothels, which, nine times out of ten, contain trafficked women, go against “Christian values.” Therefore, the same outrage that was applied to the thought of building minarets by some members of the political spectrum should also be applied to the brothels.

But, you’re absolutely right on how there are regulations in place that cover what can be built or not…which actually covers minarets anyway.

By: Ramona

Ramona — Sat, 26 Dec 2009 11:10:16 +0000

Hi,

I agree with Fred, these are two separate issues, but neither of them are right. The Brothels are a part of human society, and “good folks” would rather not talk about them because that would mean they have to do something about these trafficked women. There may be a few women happy with the work, but there are more of them that come thinking they were getting a job as a maid, passports taken away and then put to work. This happens in every land, even in Switzerland. I find, sometimes, that the Swiss just don’t want to admit that Swiss could be responsible for such things. There may be a lot of foreign players, but it can’t happen in Switzerland without the cooperation of a few Swiss nationals.

As for the Minarets, this was an unnecessary vote based on racism and fear. Already established building and sound regulations in cities and villages would have prevented the construction if it was unwanted by the community. In the village I lived in for ten years, no building can be built higher than the three-story old farmhouse. Apartment buildings have been built, but none higher than the farmhouse. And, I can’t even build a storage room onto my house without the signed release from my neighbors. We all know about the noise issues. There is no noise after 22:00, during lunch and dinner times. And almost nothing is allowed on Sundays. There are zoning requirements. These regulations have been in place forever and they are meant for EVERYONE. There was no reason to even come to a vote. The only thing this has accomplished is to make Switzerland seem racist, stupid and now targets for protest and who knows what else. What it accomplished is exactly what the supporters of this Initiative wanted to avoid.

Sorry, I went on.

As for the

By: RT

RT — Fri, 11 Dec 2009 08:21:16 +0000

Ah okay. I must ask though…and sorry for asking in English (I’m rushing to type this): You go inside the clubs and ask the women if they’re happy and they say that they are. Do you ever talk to them when they’re not under the watch of their bosses?

By: Fred

Fred — Fri, 11 Dec 2009 01:21:32 +0000

nein…. Sozialarbeiter.

By: RT

RT — Thu, 10 Dec 2009 22:11:33 +0000

“Ich kenne einige Girls gut, die in Clubs arbeiten und alle sagen mir, dass sie für sich arbeiten und happy sind.”

Ah. Jetzt verstehe ich. Du bist ein Kunde.

By: Fred

Fred — Thu, 10 Dec 2009 22:03:51 +0000

Ja, es gibt leider – wie überall – kriminelle Elemente. Aber viele Girls, die ich kenne, arbeiten für sich und machen es gerne. Sie lieben Sex und Geld. Die Situation in den USA ist viel gefährlicher, wo alles verboten ist und es trotzdem alles gibt. Dort gibt es Erpressung und viele Probleme, nicht hier. Ja, aus dem Osten haben wir Probleme, aber sie sind nicht sehr gross. Ich kenne einige Girls gut, die in Clubs arbeiten und alle sagen mir, dass sie für sich arbeiten und happy sind.

By: RT

RT — Sat, 05 Dec 2009 16:39:51 +0000

Sleeping with trafficked women doesn’t go against Christian values? Maybe a version of Christianity I’ve never heard of.

By: Fred Goldman

Fred Goldman — Sat, 05 Dec 2009 14:01:38 +0000

Nein, das hat auch nichts mit christlichen Werten zu tun. Auch im Neuen Testament gibt es Working Girls. Sex und Kirche sind so privat, dass man es gar nicht diskutieren soll.

By: RT

RT — Fri, 04 Dec 2009 21:32:08 +0000

@Fred: Ich glaube, dass Sie meine post verstehen nicht. Ich probiere noch einmal….

Es gibt eine heftige Gelegenheit, dass “trafficked women” in die Bordellen arbeiten. Und das ist gegen Christliche Values (werten?). Aber in der Schweiz, hat niemand eine Probleme mit Bordellen.

By: Fred Goldman

Fred Goldman — Fri, 04 Dec 2009 21:16:25 +0000

Was für ein Blödsinn wird hier geschrieben. Das Eine hat mit dem Andern nichts zu tun. Sogar in manchen moslemischen Staaten ist Sex erlaubt, in ganz Bangladesh kann man f…en bis zum Umfallen.